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		<title>By: Lorretta</title>
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		<description>I think about these things ALOT. Two people have shaped my thinking recently. The first is David&#039;s grandmother who will be 100 if she lives to see her next birthday in October. By all accounts, Granny has been a bulwark in the family--keeping things steady in the midst of many storms. She claims to know Jesus but as far as anyone can tell, her relationship with Him is a mystery. She&#039;s a &quot;good&quot; woman and a former member and hard worker in the Methodist church. However, the last 10 years of her life have not been very good and although she&#039;s kept going, the quality of her life has been dismal. She can barely move, see or hear. She&#039;s grateful that she can still see a little bit and walk about a little bit, but that&#039;s the extent of her existence. It makes me sad and scares me to think that&#039;s where it goes if we live long enough.

The second, was my grandmother who recently passed away. She was a hard woman of Czechoslovakian and Catholic descent but with no real faith in a strength other than her own. As a child, I was really close to her and spent a great deal of time with her in the kitchen, in the parlor learning to crochet and in the garden. Fractured family issues and painful experiences jettisoned me away from New Jersey and the distance between us grew until there was nothing there. One by one the relatives died and finally, she was the last living from her generation. She was being &quot;cared for&quot; (as in given food and shelter) by her son and his wife but there was not love involved--only duty. I went to visit her this last time and found her confined to bed with an injury and what I found shook me to the core; there she was, in a dark and dusty room. A whisper of the woman I had known, her hair was matted with vomit and tangled, her fingernails long and crusted with unknown substances. She lay under a thin blanket with only her shirt on. I barely knew where to begin. I grabbed a hairbrush and began to untangle her hair, talking to her as she asked me questions about my family. After all these years, she still knew who I was. She was very much in her mind. I only had an hour before leaving to get to the airport and it was all I could do to hold back the tears and answer her questions while ministering to her needs. She complained of pain in her leg and pulling back the covers revealed bedsores on her leg and feet. Finding a pillow to place between her knees I realized that my time was short and that this was most likely the last time I would see her. I also knew that she didn&#039;t know Jesus no more than the rest of the family. Cautiously, I began. &quot;Grandma&quot; I inquired, &quot;What do you think happens after you die?&quot; I was not prepared for her answer: &quot;I don&#039;t like to think about it. I&#039;m too busy thinking about this here and now. Ah such is life. Such is life.&quot; I was stunned and wrestled with where to begin. Time was short and so I started talking to her about heaven and God. But she would hear none of it. A voice downstairs yelled that it was time to go and I was at the end. I hastily straightened her room and her blankets one last time and told her I love her but I had to go. &quot;So soon?&quot; she said, &quot;You just got here!&quot;  Another yell from downstairs and I had to go. &quot;I love you grandma. I wish I could stay longer but I have to go.&quot; I turned to leave as I heard her say one last time: &quot;Such is life, such is life.&quot; As it turns out, she died 3 weeks later at the age of 95 and as far as I know, she died without Jesus.

I&#039;m marked forever by these experiences. Because I know that&#039;s not the truth--that&#039;s not the whole, the sum of what God wants for us....to live to a stage of decrepitsy without his truth...to work and invest in ourselves only to come up empty at the end. That&#039;s not living long or living well. I agree with you Al, that&#039;s not &quot;living&quot; at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think about these things ALOT. Two people have shaped my thinking recently. The first is David&#8217;s grandmother who will be 100 if she lives to see her next birthday in October. By all accounts, Granny has been a bulwark in the family&#8211;keeping things steady in the midst of many storms. She claims to know Jesus but as far as anyone can tell, her relationship with Him is a mystery. She&#8217;s a &#8220;good&#8221; woman and a former member and hard worker in the Methodist church. However, the last 10 years of her life have not been very good and although she&#8217;s kept going, the quality of her life has been dismal. She can barely move, see or hear. She&#8217;s grateful that she can still see a little bit and walk about a little bit, but that&#8217;s the extent of her existence. It makes me sad and scares me to think that&#8217;s where it goes if we live long enough.</p>
<p>The second, was my grandmother who recently passed away. She was a hard woman of Czechoslovakian and Catholic descent but with no real faith in a strength other than her own. As a child, I was really close to her and spent a great deal of time with her in the kitchen, in the parlor learning to crochet and in the garden. Fractured family issues and painful experiences jettisoned me away from New Jersey and the distance between us grew until there was nothing there. One by one the relatives died and finally, she was the last living from her generation. She was being &#8220;cared for&#8221; (as in given food and shelter) by her son and his wife but there was not love involved&#8211;only duty. I went to visit her this last time and found her confined to bed with an injury and what I found shook me to the core; there she was, in a dark and dusty room. A whisper of the woman I had known, her hair was matted with vomit and tangled, her fingernails long and crusted with unknown substances. She lay under a thin blanket with only her shirt on. I barely knew where to begin. I grabbed a hairbrush and began to untangle her hair, talking to her as she asked me questions about my family. After all these years, she still knew who I was. She was very much in her mind. I only had an hour before leaving to get to the airport and it was all I could do to hold back the tears and answer her questions while ministering to her needs. She complained of pain in her leg and pulling back the covers revealed bedsores on her leg and feet. Finding a pillow to place between her knees I realized that my time was short and that this was most likely the last time I would see her. I also knew that she didn&#8217;t know Jesus no more than the rest of the family. Cautiously, I began. &#8220;Grandma&#8221; I inquired, &#8220;What do you think happens after you die?&#8221; I was not prepared for her answer: &#8220;I don&#8217;t like to think about it. I&#8217;m too busy thinking about this here and now. Ah such is life. Such is life.&#8221; I was stunned and wrestled with where to begin. Time was short and so I started talking to her about heaven and God. But she would hear none of it. A voice downstairs yelled that it was time to go and I was at the end. I hastily straightened her room and her blankets one last time and told her I love her but I had to go. &#8220;So soon?&#8221; she said, &#8220;You just got here!&#8221;  Another yell from downstairs and I had to go. &#8220;I love you grandma. I wish I could stay longer but I have to go.&#8221; I turned to leave as I heard her say one last time: &#8220;Such is life, such is life.&#8221; As it turns out, she died 3 weeks later at the age of 95 and as far as I know, she died without Jesus.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m marked forever by these experiences. Because I know that&#8217;s not the truth&#8211;that&#8217;s not the whole, the sum of what God wants for us&#8230;.to live to a stage of decrepitsy without his truth&#8230;to work and invest in ourselves only to come up empty at the end. That&#8217;s not living long or living well. I agree with you Al, that&#8217;s not &#8220;living&#8221; at all.</p>
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		<title>By: cindylou</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindylou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t get the image of Hezekiah (2 Kings 20) out of my mind throughout this post.  I&#039;m puzzled by the disconnect between his words throughout chapters 18-19 about God alone being God and then when he receives word from God that he will soon die, he asks for 15 more years of life.  Hezekiah repeatedly calls himself faithful and obedient, yet he is unwilling to be obedient to the point of death. And then in the same chapter, when he is informed that his request will cause serious trauma and discord in the lives of his children, he declares so what, I&#039;ll live a happy extra 15 years.

In chapter 18, he is like David, and does right in the eyes of the Lord, trusted, held fast, the Lord was with him, etc.  While it might should bring me comfort to know that even men such as these failed, it doesn&#039;t. It scares me to pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t get the image of Hezekiah (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=2+Kings+20" title="ESV 2Kings 20" class="bibleref">2 Kings 20</a> <a href="javascript://" onclick="showhide('scripturizer1392715194');">[+/-]</a><span id="scripturizer1392715194" style="white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 10px; border: dotted blue 1px; border-left: solid blue 5px; color: black;">2 Kings 20<br />
   [20:1]In those days Hezekiah became sick and was at the<br />
point of death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came<br />
to him and said to him, "Thus says the LORD, 'Set your<br />
house in order, for you shall die; you shall not recover.'"<br />
[2]Then Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to<br />
the LORD, saying, [3]"Now, O LORD, please remember how I<br />
have walked before you in faithfulness and with a whole<br />
heart, and have done what is good in your sight." And<br />
Hezekiah wept bitterly. [4]And before Isaiah had gone out<br />
of the middle court, the word of the LORD came to him:<br />
[5]"Turn back, and say to Hezekiah the leader of my people,<br />
Thus says the LORD, the God of David your father: I have<br />
heard your prayer; I have seen your tears. Behold, I will<br />
heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of<br />
the LORD, [6]and I will add fifteen years to your life. I<br />
will deliver you and this city out of the hand of the king<br />
of Assyria, and I will defend this city for my own sake and<br />
for my servant David's sake." [7]And Isaiah said, "Bring a<br />
cake of figs. And let them take and lay it on the boil,<br />
that he may recover."<br />
   [8]And Hezekiah said to Isaiah, "What shall be the sign<br />
that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up to the<br />
house of the LORD on the third day?" [9]And Isaiah said,<br />
"This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD<br />
will do the thing that he has promised: shall the shadow go<br />
forward ten steps, or go back ten steps?" [10]And Hezekiah<br />
answered, "It is an easy thing for the shadow to lengthen<br />
ten steps. Rather let the shadow go back ten steps."<br />
[11]And Isaiah the prophet called to the LORD, and he<br />
brought the shadow back ten steps, by which it had gone<br />
down on the steps of Ahaz.<br />
   [12]At that time Merodach-baladan the son of Baladan,<br />
king of Babylon, sent envoys with letters and a present to<br />
Hezekiah, for he heard that Hezekiah had been sick. [13]And<br />
Hezekiah welcomed them, and he showed them all his treasure<br />
house, the silver, the gold, the spices, the precious oil,<br />
his armory, all that was found in his storehouses. There<br />
was nothing in his house or in all his realm that Hezekiah<br />
did not show them. [14]Then Isaiah the prophet came to King<br />
Hezekiah, and said to him, "What did these men say? And<br />
from where did they come to you?" And Hezekiah said, "They<br />
have come from a far country, from Babylon." [15]He said,<br />
"What have they seen in your house?" And Hezekiah answered,<br />
"They have seen all that is in my house; there is nothing<br />
in my storehouses that I did not show them."<br />
   [16]Then Isaiah said to Hezekiah, "Hear the word of the<br />
LORD: [17]Behold, the days are coming, when all that is in<br />
your house, and that which your fathers have stored up till<br />
this day, shall be carried to Babylon. Nothing shall be<br />
left, says the LORD. [18]And some of your own sons, who<br />
shall be born to you, shall be taken away, and they shall<br />
be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon." [19]Then<br />
said Hezekiah to Isaiah, "The word of the LORD that you<br />
have spoken is good." For he thought, "Why not, if there<br />
will be peace and security in my days?"<br />
   [20]The rest of the deeds of Hezekiah and all his might<br />
and how he made the pool and the conduit and brought water<br />
into the city, are they not written in the Book of the<br />
Chronicles of the Kings of Judah? [21]And Hezekiah slept<br />
with his fathers, and Manasseh his son reigned in his<br />
place. (ESV)<br /><a href="http://www.esv.org/"><img src="http://www.esv.org/assets/buttons/small.7.png" alt="This text is from the ESV Bible. Visit www.esv.org to learn about the ESV." title="Visit www.esv.org to learn about the ESV Bible" width="80" height="21" /></a></span>) out of my mind throughout this post.  I&#8217;m puzzled by the disconnect between his words throughout chapters 18-19 about God alone being God and then when he receives word from God that he will soon die, he asks for 15 more years of life.  Hezekiah repeatedly calls himself faithful and obedient, yet he is unwilling to be obedient to the point of death. And then in the same chapter, when he is informed that his request will cause serious trauma and discord in the lives of his children, he declares so what, I&#8217;ll live a happy extra 15 years.</p>
<p>In chapter 18, he is like David, and does right in the eyes of the Lord, trusted, held fast, the Lord was with him, etc.  While it might should bring me comfort to know that even men such as these failed, it doesn&#8217;t. It scares me to pieces.</p>
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